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April 21, 2024 at 5:10 am #30128
What burning questions, observations, or comments do you want to share?
Alternatively, if you could ask Louise Penny anything about this book, what would it be?
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April 21, 2024 at 6:12 am #30130
Did she know the book would turn out as dark as it did? Granted, the subject matter was already grim but….
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April 21, 2024 at 6:13 am #30132
I think what might make this book so dark is the fact that most of the horrible stuff that was happening is what we are living with in the US now. Misogyny, child trafficking and sexual abuse, and gun violence to name a few. I don’t know how one can write about a psychopathic personality and not know it would be a gruesome tale.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:15 am #30136
One of the things I enjoy about reading LP, is how she weaves poetry into the story and uses it to connect different pieces of the narrative. In WOC, it is Auden’s poem that Gamache initially recites to Beauvoir on the shores of the lake. In that context, the poem is a statement of affirmation, of recognition that Gamache sees past Beauvoir’s insulting tirade to the person underneath, an experience that is transformative for Beauvoir. And Beauvoir remembers the last two lines of the poem as he sees Gamache when they are wrapping up their investigation in the remote detachment. But, the last line, “There is always another story, there is more than meets the eye,” also portends danger. Jean-Guy thinks of it as he looks out at Three Pines on the day of Fiona’s graduation so many years later. It comes up again as they consider who is really Fleming and what he intends. For me, the fundamental message of Auden’s poem is to look beyond the surface for the rest of the story, the totality of the person. But, in the context of this story, its use as a warning of danger and how individuals can hide evil behind a facade of goodness or normalcy certainly fits. I think in the end, Armand still believes what he told Jean-Guy years earlier, “You need to remember that, Jean-Guy. The blindness you mention isn’t in believing in the essential goodness of people, it is failing to see it.”
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Lovely analysis! I was struck by that poem, too, throughout the story. I love that you saw something I failed to consider in that first reciting of the poem — I felt that Armand was using it as an instructional tool for Jean-Guy, trying to get him to see that the victim was a person with a reason behind their behaviors; what one sees on the surface is not necessarily all there is to know about them, and all people have “more than meets the eye” within themselves. And that dawned on JG fully after he learned more about Armand and realized his first impressions were all wrong. I didn’t look at it as Armand also telling JG that he saw that there was more than met the eye to him as well. I like that thought! And of course, Armand would be thinking that about JG — he was already intrigued by him and wondering what made him tick. That’s a great observation. As for that poem, it reminded me of one that has stuck with me through the years called “Richard Cory,” (by Edwin Arlington Robinson), about a rich man-about-town who was admired and envied by all who went home and committed suicide. A good example of “there is more than meets the eye…”
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April 21, 2024 at 6:17 am #30142
Thanks! And I think you are right, Armand was also asking Jean-Guy to see the humanity of Clotilde Arsenault. So many layers, so many nuances in LP’s writing.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:18 am #30144
I feel like I had to suspend disbelief more in this book than in any other of Louise’s books. A second case of “He’s in the SHU, locked up for life – wait..no…”? Even allowing that we don’t spend every moment with our Three Pines friends, the introduction of Harriet and Fiona as people who have been a regular part of the characters’ lives was difficult for me. I also wish that she had at least alluded to the whereabouts/fate of Stephen Horowitz, as it would only have taken a few words. It feels somewhat disloyal to express these criticisms, as I love the series, but the book did leave me a bit dissatisfied.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:19 am #30146
I would not characterize your comments as disloyal; the point of a discussion is to read different points of view. I thought LP integrated Fiona into the Gamache’s lives more than Harriet’s into Myrna’s. Still, they are new characters without previous references. I think some of that becomes necessary in an extensive series. I also missed Stephen, or to be exact, the Stephen and Ruth as a couple.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:19 am #30148
YES – regarding Stephen. That he would just not be there, and that Ruth would be unaffected?
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It’s not disloyal of you to voice your concerns — you are expressing your opinion in a reasonable manner, without snark or a destructive agenda. And I agree that all the points you mentioned took me a bit of adjustment time as well, though I can understand and accept that some things were necessary in order for this story to work. I do think a sentence about Stephen would have been nice to include, but I know that the process of writing a book can be pretty complicated, and there are editors and word counts and all sorts of things involved that I can’t begin to figure out. I can imagine that some things were left out or truncated just to fit the parameters of getting the book published, and maybe the people involved didn’t feel certain things were necessary. So that’s what I’m telling myself. I was able to enjoy the story for what it was, but I do understand what you’re saying!
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April 21, 2024 at 6:21 am #30152
Generally, I happily suspend disbelief – I want to just enjoy things on their own merits, whether books, movies, or TV. Participating in this very enjoyable discussion group made me examine AWOC and my feelings about it in greater depth.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:22 am #30154
I am curious about the relationship between Robert and Sylvie. They appeared to be passionately in love with each other which was something Gamache was impressed with. But, since Robert is Fleming, and Fleming is psychotic, was he really in love with Sylvie or was it part of his act? Thoughts?
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April 21, 2024 at 6:22 am #30156
I believe he did care about her. It seems so at odds with his otherwise monstrous behavior and technically inconsistent with a designation as a psychopath but I still think he cared for her. I think he ultimately killed her, as Armand said, as a mercy killing. I think he suspected he would be unlikely to survive all he planned to do to exact his revenge on Armand and that would leave her entirely alone and vulnerable.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:23 am #30158
I think it’s interesting that Sylvie was able to go along with the whole masquerade in Three Pines without screwing it up. Fleming was psychotic, so it was easier for him.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:24 am #30160
plus it was his revenge so he would be more motivated to stay in character. Ir certainly would have been a hard life for Sylvie either way.
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I saw that relationship as Fleming being dominant; Sylvie being fascinated and manipulated willingly out of what she saw as love. Some people will do just about anything in order to be loved, sadly. I don’t think a truly psychopathic personality like Fleming could feel love as an equal, or feel true empathy, except in as it applied to himself. If he found someone who worshipped him, like Sylvie seems to have done, he would think that’s love unless they crossed him, and he would go through the motions of love and think he was really feeling it because thinking he was capable of it would stoke his ego, but would have no true concept of the depths that real love has. I think he was fond of Sylvie, perhaps like a compliant pet, but I don’t think he killed her out of true mercy; he would like to think that, but she really had outgrown her purpose and was a potential threat, else why take that particular moment to do her in? She was doing OK at that moment; wasn’t suffering more than usual, and had some life and hopes still in her (she wanted to read that long book!) I think that if you looked behind Fleming’s mask, you’d see nothing but darkness and a void where a heart should be.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:25 am #30164
I tend to agree with everything you said. And then I think about how taken in Gamache was with Sylvie and Robert’s relationship. He knew there was something about Robert that niggled at his intuition but couldn’t seem to figure out what it was. That certainly seemed to be a blind spot for Gamache.
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I agree. Armand is human, and he does have his weaknesses. Love is his biggest; he feels it so deeply, and wants to see it in others, too. Always looking for that goodness and kindness to exist. It’s not the worst flaw to have, but I’m glad he has people like Jean-Guy and Reine Marie around him to protect him from himself and give him a different point of view as needed. (Though Reine Marie also seemed taken in by Fleming and Sylvie; not by Fiona, though!)
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Jane BaechleApril 21, 2024 at 6:32 am #30168
My question for LP or this group: how did Mongeau/Fleming learn so much about Armand, particularly sending the family to the lake house of a friend sworn to secrecy and that Reine-Marie had traveled to Europe? He had years to learn much of the background on the Gamaches but those details were recent and I could not see Fiona being the source of that information.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:32 am #30170
I think it’s in the book that Armand told “Robert” about sending the family to the lake house.
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Good questions. My only thought is that Fleming had influence with a lot of people, who may have known people… I attributed it to him having a wide network of contacts and his ability to trick (or in some cases, threaten) people into giving him information. If he were another type of villain, I would suspect him of using tech to bug Armand’s home or tap the phones, but I don’t think he had those capabilities (unless he knew someone who did, but that leads the story in a whole other direction!)
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April 21, 2024 at 6:34 am #30176
I think Sylvie and Robert blended so well into the Three Pines community that they were fully aware of what was happening with everyone. They spent a lot of time in the Bistro where they would have been able to overhear all types of conversations.
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This was a dark book in so many ways, yet I love that Louise Penny can still lighten the mood in random moments. Some of my favorite bright spots: Jean-Guy, contemplating Honore: ” The fact that the child’s best friend seemed to be the damaged old poet Ruth Zardo both amused and slightly worried his parents; ” Annie to JG: “Dad did mention your contribution that day…but it sounded more like ‘shit-head.'” JG: “Surete code for brilliant.” Annie: “Ahh. Then you are definitely luminous.” JG, upon being introduced to Armand: “‘Beauvoir. Jean-Guy. Agent.’ He had no idea why he’d suddenly started talking backward.” JG to Armand, after being questioned about following orders: “You sound surprised. The truth is, I was getting caught up with emails. I’d have gone eventually.” (and I loved that JG, even though they were both soaking wet, turned the heater vents on Armand to keep him warm, instead of himself. The kind man in shit’s clothing!) Looking at the newly discovered picture: Myrna: “Why remake a masterpiece?” JG: “They remade ‘Total Recall.'” Armand: Let it go…you can still watch the original.” Amelia Choquet being described by Armand as “our mini-Ruth.” Myrna’s reply: “If Ruth and a trash compactor had a child, yes.” Ruth speaking of Cicero; JG’s response: “Cicero? My mother bakes with that.” Ruth: “That’s Crisco, numbnuts.” JG to Armand at the prison: “Feels like dinner with Ruth.” There were other turns of phrase that made me smile as well, and kept me from being totally immersed in the dark side of the book. I love that LP can bring that balance to even as dark a story as this one.
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April 21, 2024 at 6:36 am #30180
LP truly has a sense of humor which infuses her writing and characters.
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How was Fleming able to connect with Fiona and Sam, especially Fiona. She owed Fleming nothing but Gamache’s everything. She had to be the introduction between Fleming and Sam. How long was Fleming out of prison, at least long enough for divinity school. Fiona had to be the source for all that’s Three Pines. In my way of analyzing this dark terror, Fiona is the deadliest psychopath and R-M was wise to keep her away from the children.
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